Ivor O’Connor

August 26, 2009

Justice Dept. Releases Torture Report

Filed under: Uncategorized — ioconnor @ 2:11 am

bo090825It’s hard to turn on the news these last couple days without hearing about the CIA torture cases. It seems like we haven’t learned the Nuremberg trial lessons. We executed anybody who participated in torturing. If they were merely following orders we executed them anyways. Along with those who ordered the torturing. Something about any human so depraved as to follow bad orders like waterboarding were immediately executed. We executed the Japanese if they happened to be in the same town the waterboarding was taking place. I suspect because they did not look like white Americans but that’s just my opinion.

So what’s going on with us? Why aren’t we executing everybody who was involved with the CIA torturing right on up to the top?

In fact international law demands this. The law we largely wrote and forced much of the World to sign.

I doubt justice will be done. After all there’s no real difference between the Obama administration and the Bush administraion. I’ll keep hoping though…

Germans’ have been demonized to such an extent we Americans do not realize what it was really like and the similarities.

Nazi leader Hermann Goering’s last days were spent with Gustave Gilbert, a German-speaking intelligence officer and psychologist who was granted free access by the Allies to all the prisoners held in the Nuremberg jail. Gilbert kept a journal of his observations of the proceedings and his conversations with the prisoners, which he later published in the book Nuremberg Diary. The following quote was a part of a conversation Gilbert held with a dejected Hermann Goering in his cell on the evening of 18 April 1946, as the trials were halted for a three-day Easter recess:

Sweating in his cell in the evening, Goering was defensive and deflated and not very happy over the turn the trial was taking. He said that he had no control over the actions or the defense of the others, and that he had never been anti-Semitic himself, had not believed these atrocities, and that several Jews had offered to testify in his behalf… Later in the conversation, Gilbert recorded Goering’s observations.

“Goering: Why, of course, the people don’t want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece.

Naturally, the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.

Gilbert: There is one difference. In a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars.

Goering: Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”

This so reminds me of the Bush and Obama administration… How do we stop the needless killings of hundreds of thousands, some estimate millions, of people in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Pakistan? With FOX news and all the other media channels doing their thing. Nobody seems to have time to actually put things in perspective. Perhaps that’s it. Everybody is so busy earning a living that they have never had the time to educate themselves…


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